Discussion:
How did Leonora die?
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Ken Miner
2006-06-22 11:29:33 UTC
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While on a trip last week I re-read Frances Donaldson's biography. I liked
it much better this time, but I still twinge at the "woman's point of view"
stuff. For instance *I* didn't think it was hilarious that Jeeves made
Bertie ride six miles on a bicycle with no light. I didn't think anything
about it at all. The humor in Wodehouse is diction, not plot. For genuine
cruelty in literature, try _Don Quixote_! I can't even read it.

I was crestfallen to learn that Wodehouse didn't like Dickens or Hardy --
my two other standbys.

I think that overall it is great that we have an excellent biography by
someone who wasn't exactly a fan; the extensive quotes are wonderful. And
the closure is just right.

However the main reason for this post is that I still haven't found
something I wanted: how did Leonora die so young (before she was forty)?
Perhaps I have missed it even on the second reading. (I did skip the
chapters on the broadcasts; enough of that already...)

Ken
d***@douglasadams.se
2006-06-22 13:28:02 UTC
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I believe Leonora died in 192, whilst undergoing minor surgery.
Post by Ken Miner
While on a trip last week I re-read Frances Donaldson's biography. I liked
it much better this time, but I still twinge at the "woman's point of view"
stuff. For instance *I* didn't think it was hilarious that Jeeves made
Bertie ride six miles on a bicycle with no light. I didn't think anything
about it at all. The humor in Wodehouse is diction, not plot. For genuine
cruelty in literature, try _Don Quixote_! I can't even read it.
I was crestfallen to learn that Wodehouse didn't like Dickens or Hardy --
my two other standbys.
I think that overall it is great that we have an excellent biography by
someone who wasn't exactly a fan; the extensive quotes are wonderful. And
the closure is just right.
However the main reason for this post is that I still haven't found
something I wanted: how did Leonora die so young (before she was forty)?
Perhaps I have missed it even on the second reading. (I did skip the
chapters on the broadcasts; enough of that already...)
Ken
Mike Schilling
2006-06-22 14:48:53 UTC
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Post by d***@douglasadams.se
I believe Leonora died in 192, whilst undergoing minor surgery.
Being bled or leeched, I suppose.
s***@googlemail.com
2020-01-04 10:22:32 UTC
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Bled or leached? No, not in 1942!

d***@douglasadams.se
2006-06-23 11:47:06 UTC
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That should have been 1942, not 192...
Post by d***@douglasadams.se
I believe Leonora died in 192, whilst undergoing minor surgery.
Post by Ken Miner
While on a trip last week I re-read Frances Donaldson's biography. I liked
it much better this time, but I still twinge at the "woman's point of view"
stuff. For instance *I* didn't think it was hilarious that Jeeves made
Bertie ride six miles on a bicycle with no light. I didn't think anything
about it at all. The humor in Wodehouse is diction, not plot. For genuine
cruelty in literature, try _Don Quixote_! I can't even read it.
I was crestfallen to learn that Wodehouse didn't like Dickens or Hardy --
my two other standbys.
I think that overall it is great that we have an excellent biography by
someone who wasn't exactly a fan; the extensive quotes are wonderful. And
the closure is just right.
However the main reason for this post is that I still haven't found
something I wanted: how did Leonora die so young (before she was forty)?
Perhaps I have missed it even on the second reading. (I did skip the
chapters on the broadcasts; enough of that already...)
Ken
Ken Miner
2006-06-23 12:25:39 UTC
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Post by d***@douglasadams.se
That should have been 1942, not 192...
Aha! I thought it was some new system of dating...

Ken
Calvin
2006-06-26 00:53:41 UTC
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Post by Ken Miner
Post by d***@douglasadams.se
That should have been 1942, not 192...
Aha! I thought it was some new system of dating...
Speed Dating, perhaps?

Pip Pip!
Uncle Woggly
l***@lycos.com
2006-07-21 15:57:27 UTC
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According to Sir Bernard Spilsbury, who conducted the post-mortem;
Leonora died of "Myocardial degeneration and early atheroma of the
arteries", whatever now that is...
Probably something she caught from eating animals slain in anger and
pie...
Post by Ken Miner
While on a trip last week I re-read Frances Donaldson's biography. I liked
it much better this time, but I still twinge at the "woman's point of view"
stuff. For instance *I* didn't think it was hilarious that Jeeves made
Bertie ride six miles on a bicycle with no light. I didn't think anything
about it at all. The humor in Wodehouse is diction, not plot. For genuine
cruelty in literature, try _Don Quixote_! I can't even read it.
I was crestfallen to learn that Wodehouse didn't like Dickens or Hardy --
my two other standbys.
I think that overall it is great that we have an excellent biography by
someone who wasn't exactly a fan; the extensive quotes are wonderful. And
the closure is just right.
However the main reason for this post is that I still haven't found
something I wanted: how did Leonora die so young (before she was forty)?
Perhaps I have missed it even on the second reading. (I did skip the
chapters on the broadcasts; enough of that already...)
Ken
Alan Follett
2006-07-22 00:46:23 UTC
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Post by l***@lycos.com
According to Sir Bernard Spilsbury, who
conducted the post-mortem; Leonora died
of "Myocardial degeneration and early
atheroma of the arteries", whatever now that
is...
Probably something she caught from eating
animals slain in anger and pie...
What ho, la_vin;

Well, not to make light of a personal tragedy, but how many animals are
slain in pie, with or without anger?

My understanding is that poor Leonora died of complications of what was
supposed to have been a relatively minor surgery.

Ta!
Le Vicomte de Blissac
LaVin
2006-08-06 12:40:24 UTC
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What ho, with knobs on,

It's not so much a matter of animals being slain in anger or pie, old
pieface, but rather eating animals slain in anger and/or eating pie. Do
not recall what part of the scriptures that's from, but the picture's
pretty clear to all of us not eating too much pie.

Ta ta,

Soapy Molloy
Post by Alan Follett
Post by l***@lycos.com
According to Sir Bernard Spilsbury, who
conducted the post-mortem; Leonora died
of "Myocardial degeneration and early
atheroma of the arteries", whatever now that
is...
Probably something she caught from eating
animals slain in anger and pie...
What ho, la_vin;
Well, not to make light of a personal tragedy, but how many animals are
slain in pie, with or without anger?
My understanding is that poor Leonora died of complications of what was
supposed to have been a relatively minor surgery.
Ta!
Le Vicomte de Blissac
Donald Renouf
2006-08-07 16:18:24 UTC
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Post by LaVin
What ho, with knobs on,
It's not so much a matter of animals being slain in anger or pie, old
pieface, but rather eating animals slain in anger and/or eating pie. Do
not recall what part of the scriptures that's from, but the picture's
pretty clear to all of us not eating too much pie.
Ta ta,
Soapy Molloy
Although in the world of Wodehouse a man can still come home to his
wife after a long day at work spelting the zinc. And "cachexia" can
mean anything you want.
Ken Miner
2006-08-07 17:49:15 UTC
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"LaVin" <***@lycos.com> wrote in message news:***@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

[...] animals slain in anger [...] Do
not recall what part of the scriptures that's from [...]
I doubt that it's biblical. But I'll be hanged if I can track it down.

Ken
Neil Midkiff
2006-08-07 18:26:48 UTC
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Post by Ken Miner
[...] animals slain in anger [...] Do
not recall what part of the scriptures that's from [...]
I doubt that it's biblical. But I'll be hanged if I can track it down.
Ken
I've always considered this to be a reference to Theosophy, of which
Wodehouse's brother Armine was a devotee.

Isn't the context of this that Jeeves seems to have the trick, like
Indian mystics, of dissolving from one location and reappearing
elsewhere? Presumably non-vegetarians have a certain karmic heaviness
of soul which prevents them from accomplishing this feat.

Adding "and pie" (with its connotations of purely physical heaviness) to
the formula knocks the phrase on its ear in a most delightful way.

Now I'm working entirely from memory here, so please tell me if I've got
the context wrong.

-Neil Midkiff
LaVin
2006-08-10 14:46:05 UTC
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Oh dear, doesn't everybody know that "Scripture Knowledge" alludes only
to the work of Plum....?
Post by Ken Miner
[...] animals slain in anger [...] Do
not recall what part of the scriptures that's from [...]
I doubt that it's biblical. But I'll be hanged if I can track it down.
Ken
Mike Schilling
2006-08-10 14:48:20 UTC
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Post by LaVin
Oh dear, doesn't everybody know that "Scripture Knowledge" alludes only
to the work of Plum....?
Bertie won a prize for his knowledge of PGW's work? That's far too
postmodern for me.
LaVin
2006-08-10 15:16:49 UTC
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Well, Vladimir Brusiloff pointed out that PG and Tolstoi are "not good,
but not bad". If Brusiloff read PG, why not Bertie? Every sensible man
does...

When the Wodehouse Society holds a Scripture Knowledge competition, all
knows what scripture study will bring home the coconut or cigarr.
Post by Mike Schilling
Post by LaVin
Oh dear, doesn't everybody know that "Scripture Knowledge" alludes only
to the work of Plum....?
Bertie won a prize for his knowledge of PGW's work? That's far too
postmodern for me.
LaVin
2006-08-10 14:53:41 UTC
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You still there...?

I found it;

The Theosophist is Bertie Wooster's un-named cousin, in "The Artistic
Career of Corky" from Carry On, Jeeves. Bertie has just compared
Jeeves, in his ability to materialize instantly, to "...one of those
weird birds in India who dissolve themselves into thin air and nip
through space in a sort of disembodied way and assemble the parts again
just where they want them. I've got a cousin who's what they call a
Theosophist, and he says he's often nearly worked the thing himself,
but couldn't quite bring it off, probably owing to having fed in his
boyhood on the flesh of animals slain in anger and pie."

This should makes things clear as soup I think.

Soapy
Post by Ken Miner
[...] animals slain in anger [...] Do
not recall what part of the scriptures that's from [...]
I doubt that it's biblical. But I'll be hanged if I can track it down.
Ken
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